2015年3月30日星期一

兰博德克(Rambodoc),印度外科医生


这是关于一名妇女被电棍击打胸部而遭受酷刑的可怕故事,还有几幅被认为是乳房遭受电刑并感染的照片。作为外科医生的我当然对此感到好奇,并点击了这个链接。但我却吃惊地看到一个患有晚期乳腺癌妇女的照片。……有些图片与文字中描述的伤害情形并不一致。……胸部遭受电刑的照片很明显是误传。在我请求对此进行鉴别的外科医生中,没有一个被它所蒙骗。……我们可以明确地说,在这些例子中,那些图片是假的。那个乳腺癌的病例对任何一名外科医生来说,都是小菜一碟,它不是由电刑所造成的。[1]
原文
法轮功走入歧途了吗?(中英对照)
发布日期:20071211   文章来源:凯风网   作者:
917,自称为外科医生的Rambodoc在博客(rambodoc.Wordpress.com)上发表文章《法轮功走入歧途了吗?》,从医学专业人士的角度对法轮功炮制的受迫害图片的真实性提出质疑。文章认为,有些图片与文字中描述的伤害情形并不一致,从医学上将简直就是无稽之谈Rambodoc曾就图片的真实性咨询过美资深外科医生肯尼思·马托克斯(Kenneth Mattox)等医学专业人士,结论均认为图片是捏造的。Rambodoc的文章发表评论称,美国务院曾通过秘密调查认为法轮功有关活体解剖的说法不可信,法轮功受迫害真相联合调查团曾向器官摘取报告作者大卫·乔高付钱,查尔斯·刘建议Rambodoc呼吁《大纪元时报》的编辑将有关图片删除。
我想是Wordpress.com网站上一则醒目的内容吸引了我。这个博客既迷人又恐怖。阅读这些详尽且配有图解的有关中国官员折磨、强奸和谋杀法轮功成员的各种方式的描述后,令人感到瞠目结舌。
尽管不是什么新鲜、热点的新闻,但是通过过去两天对这些网站的浏览,还是给我留下了一些印象。
这些人很忠诚,这一点无庸置疑。看到她们不辞辛苦地罗列和证明政府犯下的各种罪行以及因国家的恶行而致死的练习者的姓名,不免使人产生敬畏之心。
但是,有一篇文章却令我感到惊讶。这是关于一名妇女被电棍击打胸部而遭受酷刑的可怕故事,还有几幅被认为是乳房遭受电刑并感染的照片。作为外科医生的我当然对此感到好奇,并点击了这个链接。但我却吃惊地看到一个患有晚期乳腺癌妇女的照片。同时还展示了另外许多图片,除了坚强的和受过训练的人以外,所有人都会对此感到十分恐怖。但是,有些图片与文字中描述的伤害情形并不一致。
在高蓉蓉女士的案例中(据称有人把电棍插进她的嘴里长达几个小时),照片上她的表情似乎惊人地平和。从医学上讲,遭受如此严重的外伤,会导致舌头肿胀到足以阻碍呼吸的程度,而且也会看到明显的面部肿胀。电灼伤还是会留下疤痕,但照片上却没有。
我询问过一位美国资深外科医生,同时也是一部重要的国际外科教科书的编者——肯尼思·马托克斯(Kenneth Mattox),让他对这些照片发表看法。马托克斯说:照片是可以骗人的。尽管有些伤势和情形也许是由酷刑造成的,但是有些照片可能来自一具尸体或患有晚期肝硬化、门静脉高血压、晚期坏死的乳腺癌、皮肤移植的供体部位、普通的急性电和热灼伤以及骶骨褥疮性溃疡的病人。
胸部遭受电刑的照片很明显是误传。在我请求对此进行鉴别的外科医生中,没有一个被它所蒙骗。
我发现法轮功的其它网站上也有声称类似的因酷刑而导致疾病的例子:她的鼻子因野蛮的强制喂食而受伤,形成脓肿,并于2003年癌变,2007712去世,年今年42她在遭受严酷的身体虐待的身体虐待后得了癌症,从医学上讲,这种结论简直就是荒谬的说法或者无稽之谈。我写信给该团体试图加以澄清,但到目前为止也没有得到答复。
考虑到法轮功运动正在进行的长期斗争和这种斗争的正义性与道义性(为自由、言论自由和信仰自由而斗争),我希望该运动注意到这样一个事实,即一旦失去了可信性就很难再重新赢得信任。需要通过图片对这些向法轮功施加酷刑的可怕、野蛮的畜生进行揭露是可以理解的。但是,事实胜于雄辩。因此,法轮功应当明确地鉴别出这些错误和虚假的东西,并把它们去除。为了自己的斗争和自己的同胞,他们应当这样做。

博客部分跟贴及博主回贴:
927,查尔斯·刘:
这些网站都是在法轮功领导层的命令或指挥下,付钱或者自发运转的。目的是为他们的反华宣传开辟一个回声室。我们已经看透了,我长期目睹了这一切。
尽管我不同意中国政府对法轮功的镇压,但我们许多身在西方的人也不了解法轮功在中国引起的争议。你在这里所提及的内容与他们在中国的所作所为相比,就显得平淡无奇了。

http://exposingthefalungong.org/fgban01.html
以上博客是一位旧金山人所作的调查,他的父母在被法轮功洗脑后,拒绝接受治疗,差点丧命。
美国务院也通过秘密调查认为法轮功有关活体解剖的指控不可信。

http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=April&x=20060416141157uhyggep0.5443231&t=livefeeds/wf-latest.html
顺便说一句,法轮功的政治工具法轮功受迫害真相联合调查团CIPFG)(以偿还的名义)为大卫·乔高的血淋淋的器官摘取报告付钱。见报告中附录K
102,查尔斯·刘:
请把你发现的被歪曲的医学照片发送给《大纪元时报》的编辑克里斯·查素历克(chris.jasurek)、斯蒂芬格·雷戈里(stephen.gregory)、泰·顿(thai.ton),以便他们研究和撤回——就像真正的媒体组织所做的那样。
以下是我去年发过的内容,没有得到回复:
大卫·乔高(David Kilgour)的法轮功报告,附录20的案例1中,一幅王斌先生(Mr. Wang Bin)的尸体解剖照片被曲解为活体解剖和器官摘取的证据。
堪萨斯城大学(Kansas City University)医学病理学系佛里德兰德(Friedlander)博士对照片进行了检查。该照片中,劲部有“Y”字型切口,还有棒球式的缝合线,这些都是典型的尸体解剖表现。验尸期间验尸官切除器官做证据是例行公事。
1116rambodoc (作者):
我已经清楚地说明字自己对中国政府的看法。我同情任何站起来反抗专制独裁的团体。专制政府才是邪恶的。
但是,与邪教的斗争不是一天或者一年就能完成的。这事一项长期任务,包括个人见解的发展演变,以及在政治斗争、战略制定等活动的应用。
在帖子中,我已经清楚地表达了自己及其他国际专家的看法,他们似乎都认为至少有一些图片是捏造的。
当然,需要经过病历和身体方面的检查才能做出诊断。但是我们可以明确地说,在这些例子中,那些图片是假的。那个乳腺癌的病例对任何一名外科医生来说,都是小菜一碟,它不是由电刑所造成的。
这并不意味着酷刑、摘取器官等情况没有发生过。我要再次强调一下,我提及的是上述网站上的那些图片,并警告法轮大法,提供伪造的图片将损害他们的初衷。
我负责地写下了这篇帖子。我可以对自己所写的任何一个字负责,包括这些评论。
1120,查尔斯·刘:
对我的间谍指控完全是捏造的。事实上,我曾经提供过两个案例,说明《大纪元时报》的记者亚娜·希尔(Jana Shesr)对与他们观点不一致的其他博客作者进行抨击。

http://falungongpolitics.blogspot.com/2007/04/epoch-times-reporters-gone-wild.html
当然,他们面对事实哑口无言,所以采取人身攻击的办法。   
 Is the Falun Gong Going wrong

September 17, 2007

Blog from: http://rambodoc.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/is-the-falun-gong-going-wrong/
I think it was a featured post in the Wordpress.com website that took me there. The blog was fascinating and morbid. It was an eye opener to read the exhaustive and graphic details of the myriad ways the Chinese officialdom tortures, rapes and murders the members of the Falun Gong sect.
While none of this is fresh, hot news, going into these sites for the last couple of days helped me form some impressions.
These people are committed. No question about this. It is awe-inspiring to see how painstakingly they have documented the list of crimes by the government, as well as the names of the practitioners who have succumbed to the State’s malevolence.
However, one article surprised me. It was a ghastly story of a woman who was tortured with electrical batons held to her breast, and the pictures were supposedly of an electrocuted breast with infection. Naturally, the surgeon in me had an understandable curiosity to see this, and I clicked on the links. I was taken aback to see pictures of a woman with advanced breast cancer.
Many other pictures were on display, quite horrifying for all but the hardened and the trained. However, some of the pictures did not really gel with the textual explanations of the injuries.
In the case of Ms. Gao Rongrong, who was allegedly tortured with an electric baton held inside her mouth for hours, the pictures seem to be surprisingly benign.

Medically, a trauma of that severity would have led to tongue swelling to the point of causing obstruction in breathing, and a phenomenal facial swelling would also be seen. Electrical burns also cause scars, the kind of which are lacking in the pictures.
I asked Ken Mattox, a senior American surgeon and an editor of a major international surgical textbook, to opine on these images.
Mattox says, “Photographs can be deceiving. While some of the apparent injuries and conditions might have been caused by torture, it appears that some of the photographs are from conditions which are sometimes seen in a hospital. The photographs could have been from rigor mortis in a dead body, advanced cirrhosis of the liver, portal hypertension, advanced necrotic breast cancer, donor site for a skin graft, routine acute electrical and thermal burns, and sacral decubitus ulcer.”
The picture of breast electrocution is, quite clearly, a misrepresentation. It fooled none of the group of surgeons I asked to inspect.
I found other Falun Gong sites that also alleged similar torture-induced diseases. Here are two samples:
*Her nose was injured as a result of the brutal force-feeding, turned into an abscess, and became cancerous in 2003. She died on July 12, 2007 at the age of 42.
*She developed cancer after being subjected to severe physical abuse.
Medically speaking, this falls close to the category of myth or rubbish. I wrote to the organisation seeking clarifications on the specific points, but have not yet received a reply.
In view of the long term struggle that the Falun Gong movement is undertaking, and the fact that the struggle is clearly a just and moral one (the struggle to be free, to speak freely and practise one’s beliefs freely), I wish the movement takes note of the fact that it is difficult to regain credibility once lost. The need to be graphic to expose the horrible and inhuman animals who perpetrate these tortures on the Falun Gong is understandable.
However, the truth is great, and shall prevail.
Hence, the Falun Gong should clearly identify the mistakes and the fakes and remove them. They owe this to their own struggle, their own people.
Part of comments:
Charles Liu // September 27, 2007 at 6:13 am
rambodoc, all these websites are somehow either paid for, or “voluntarily” operated at the behest and direction of, the Falun Gong leadership.
The goal is to creat an “Echo Chamber” for their anti-Chinese propaganda. Those of us in the community see right thru it. I as an Asian-American community activist have been witnessing this for a long time.
Here’s a clue, just Google whatever names that comes up with other keywords like “Falun Dafa”, or “Epoch Times”.

Charles Liu // September 27, 2007 at 6:19 am
While I do not agree with the Chinese government’s crack-down on Falun Gong, many of us in the West are not aware of Falun Gong’s controversial history in China.
What you noticed here is tame compare to what they had done in China:
http://exposingthefalungong.org/fgban01.html
Above blog is research from a San Fracisco man who’s parents nearly died from refusing medical treatment after being brainwashed by Falun Gong.

Charles Liu // September 27, 2007 at 7:20 am
Falun Gong’s vivisection allegation has been discredited by US State Dept.’s undercover investigation as well:
http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=April&x=20060416141157uhyggep0.5443231&t=livefeeds/wf-latest.html
BTW, David Kilgour’s “Bloody Harvest” report was paid for by Falun Gong’s political arm CIPFG (in terms of “reimbursement”.) See appendix K of the report.
Charles Liu // October 2, 2007 at 11:49 am
Rambodoc, please send your list of misrepresented medical photos to Epoch Times editor, so they may study them and issue retractions - like real media organizations do:
chris.jasurek (at) epochtimes.com
stephen.gregory (at) epochtimes.com
thai.ton (at) epochtimes.com
Here’s the one I sent last year, and never hear back from:
- In David Kilgour’s Falun Gong report, Appendix 20 Case 1, an autopsy photo of Mr. Wang Bin had been misreprested as evidence of vivisection and organ harvesting.
- The photo was reviewed by Dr. Friedlander of Kansas City University School of Medicine, Pathology Dept.
- The photo exhibited ‘Y’ incisions in the neck and baseball stitch sutures, which are typical of autopsy. The fact organ removal by medical examiner during autopsy is routine, is omitted.
rambodoc // November 16, 2007 at 6:19 am
Matt,
I appreciate your concerns. I have clearly said what I think about the Chinese Government. I have underlined visibly, I think, that I am sympathetic to any group that stands up to a dictatorship. It is the dictatorship that is evil.
However, the fight against evil cannot be over in a day or an year. It is a long term affair involving the evolution of one’s philosophies and applying them to one’s political struggle, strategising, etc.
I have, in my post, clearly given my impression, along with those of other international experts, who ALL seem to think at least some of the pictures are fake.
Obviously, a history and physical exam completes a diagnosis, but we could clearly say in those instances what those pictures were NOT, and the breast cancer case was a sitter for any surgeon. It is NOT about electrical torture. Period.
This does NOT mean that there are no tortures, no organ harvesting, etc. I again stress that I am referring to those pictures in the mentioned sites, and I caution the Falun Dafa that putting up fabricated pictures will harm their cause.
I have written the post with responsibility. You could take me up on every word I have written on it, including these comments.

Charles Liu // November 20, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Rambodoc, the spy accusation against me is a complete fabrication.
Matter of fact I have documented two other cases where Falun Gong newspaper Epoch Times reporter Jana Shear has attacked other bloggers who disagree with them:
http://falungongpolitics.blogspot.com/2007/04/epoch-times-reporters-gone-wild.html
Of course they have nothing to say about the facts presented, so they resort to personal attack.
And who is Matt Robertson? He is also a reporter from Epoch Times:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Matt+Robertson+Epoch+Times  


[1] 《法轮功走入歧途了吗?》,Wordpress.com,兰博德克,2007917

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